ASP180 4 stroke Prop Dilemma

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04 Jan 2017 09:39 #11420 by Phil Ford
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Briefly here is my conundrum. I have a 180 4 stroke (30cc) laying around. The model I planning on using it in would need a pusher prop. Previously the engine had various 2 blade props in the 17 - 18 range (Super Chipmunk). But the present project requires a pusher and three blades. Possibly 16 x 3 x 12? But where from? Large IC props in pusher format are like rocking horse s**t.

If I can not solve this little problem the alternative is a 2500W electric motor, HV 120 ESC and a pair of 5 cell lipos, all extra expense. :(

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04 Jan 2017 11:58 #11421 by Brian
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I've seen a propeller system on the Internet. It has an alloy hub, available in three and four blade types. Has the advantage of selectable pitch settings via a supplied key, the blades come in various lengths and styles. Just wish I could remember the maker, think it was German. Pretty sure you could find it on Google.

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04 Jan 2017 12:04 #11422 by DavidTappin
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Phil F51 told us of his dilemma

If I can not solve this little problem


How about looking into having the 4 stroke re-timed to run "backwards" which would then allow you to use a conventional tractor prop as you would if you went electric?

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04 Jan 2017 12:36 #11423 by Phil Ford
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Brian - I think your talking Ramoser Vario props. Got one already for the PC21. ;) Good but expensive. But they are not "pushers".

David - Now that's an idea if possible. I would think the cam shaft would be reversed somehow. I'll speak to Just Engines later see what answer I get.

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04 Jan 2017 13:10 #11424 by DavidTappin
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Phil informs us that

I would think the cam shaft would be reversed somehow


I had assumed that the inlet and exhaust cams would be driven separately as in Laser engines, if both cams are on one shaft I fear that the idea will be a non-starter (in both senses of the hyphenated word!).

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04 Jan 2017 15:52 - 04 Jan 2017 15:53 #11425 by Phil Ford
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DavidTappin wrote: I fear that the idea will be a non-starter (in both senses of the hyphenated word!).


After wasting another afternoon of my life surfing the Net till my eyes drop out I have come to the conclusion that at present this project is dead in the water. I'll hang it up back in the hangar again. :( The engine definitely needs a 16 inch or maybe 15 inch three blade pusher prop. I may nick all those new servos back out of it too.
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04 Jan 2017 18:39 #11426 by Chris001
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Hi Phil,

What's the plane? Maybe I'm putting two and two together and coming up with 42 ;) but could it possibly have a canard?

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04 Jan 2017 18:48 #11427 by Phil Ford
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Chris001 wrote: could it possibly have a canard?


You could be right there ;) and if it has it will probably sit in the roof archive till doomsday. And all for a prop. The 160s' that I have seen have got 3 blade props but maybe 15 x 3 x 7

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04 Jan 2017 19:00 #11429 by Chris001
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I take it you've looked at the Master Air Screw range:
www.masterairscrew.com/collections/3-bla...propeller-rev-pusher

Sussex and Wheel Spin both sell the make, maybe they would be willing to add on the pusher in their next order?

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05 Jan 2017 09:23 - 05 Jan 2017 09:24 #11433 by Phil Ford
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I think I may have got it sorted. Back to Master Airscrew's page and have ordered 3 blade pushers, 2 x 16 inch props and a 15. Grand total $52.37 (£43.93) Free shipping via DHL. See what happens. I won't start fitting the engine till I have the props in my grubby mitts. ;)
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