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26 Sep 2022 15:15 - 26 Sep 2022 15:20 #26214 by Kevin Ross
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With limited stock in UK shops, I struggled to locate a suitable 50/60 motor with Kv <400 for my latest project so selected a 4-Max 50/65.x 360kv but on receipt I discovered the motor had no register (shoulder) to accurately locate the prop driver. (see pic for an example). Sent a video to 4 -max showing an eccentricity of nearly 15 thou which to my astoishment they were aware of and offered a suggestion to align the driver which I rejected and advised the motor would be returned for refund. I then ordered my first choice from Hobbyking Global which could be up to 30 days shipping 4-max then advised a new batch of motors would be arriving to address this issue and offered a changeout but i responded that should have been the first response and now too late. He claims his motors are made in the same factory as hacker motors The good news is my H/K motor arrived this morning exactly 14 days from order. From what i can gather these H/K motors are also made in the same factory as Hacker motors.
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30 Sep 2022 14:19 #26225 by Colin Arnold
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Interesting posting Kevin, it got me thinking about the brushless motors I've used
over the years.

Most mounted behind the nose cone using the tapped holes in the motor body
and a taper lock prop drive onto the motor shaft, others as per your example.

The photos below are of an unbranded 5055 - 720KV motor rated at 765 W with a 6mm dia shaft
which I used in a now deceased model driving a 14 x 7 prop.

The motor body has a shoulder to locate the prop driver which is retained by 4 hex socket hd capscrews.
Much to my surprise there is a significant clearance between shoulder & prop drive counterbore.
With the 4 screws very lightly tightened it was possible to move the prop drive from side to side.
Without a Dial Gauge, I improvised with a digital vernier, and would estimate this movement at about 20 thou.

So even with a shoulder, if fit of the prop driver is not tightly controlled the problem is still there, perhaps on
more expensive motors this is not the case.

Any comments welcome.

Thanks

Colin.
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30 Sep 2022 16:50 #26226 by Brian Jackson
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I've always taken for granted that the bits supplied with the motor will fit together properly. If the prop driver has a bit of clearance, I suggest that you get some Loctite Bearing Fix, put a film of it on the mating surfaces and loosely assemble the screws, tightening only after the Loctite has cured. This will ensure a much better chance of concentricity.

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30 Sep 2022 20:31 - 30 Sep 2022 20:32 #26227 by Kevin Ross
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The reason i highlighted this issue is

1. My existing 4 -max motor used on the Mic Reeves Gangster runs within 2/3 thou. (see pics )

2. When George Wormley of 4 max gave his talk at the C & Dmfc he went to great lengths to emphasise paying extra attention balancing the prop on E motors - So my complaint to him is thats all negated if the prop driver doesn't run true. !

3. finally i object to being sold a product with a known deficiency

Shame because up to now i've been quite impressed by his knowledge on E flight.
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01 Oct 2022 09:29 - 01 Oct 2022 09:36 #26228 by Phillip Ford
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And the fact that he knew the prop drivers were less than ideal. So, in theory he was offloading poor manufacturing to those many who would not check the motors, just fit 'em and fly. Of course as the motor size goes up the less then ideal fitment will become more and more apparent and issues will start getting serious.

The two 4-Max motors for my Twotter are 3547 770kv. Prop adaptors are secured by four 2mm screws, they sit "fairly well" on to the motor boss and the screws pull the adaptor down flat. I did notice on both adaptors the drilling on one hole was maybe a 10 thou out.
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