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01 Apr 2015 12:11 #4152 by DaveBright
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Update:

1) New ignition, new Pick up sensor, old carb new NGK's = Still kicking back (no kick at intial run with choke, but kicked at first fire at choke off)
2)Same as 1 but with old pick up sensor = Still kicking back (Kicked at first fire, choke off)
3) Old carb, old sensor, old ignition unit through regulated 7.4 = Still kicking back (Kicked at first fire, choke off)

if it wasnt for my starter stick, i would have a further 3 strikes to my hand.

Im at a loss. Unless the magnet in the prop driver is in the wrong place? I cant think what else to do.

Suggestions from the more experienced please :-) .....

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01 Apr 2015 13:00 #4153 by JonTappin
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Have you tried retarding the ignition by moving the sensor? Move to the left, anticlockwise when viewed from the propellor side.

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01 Apr 2015 13:26 #4154 by DaveBright
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Yes, tried full retardation when we were all out last....

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01 Apr 2015 14:42 #4155 by JonTappin
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Could it be that your wrist is just too limp :)

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01 Apr 2015 16:34 - 01 Apr 2015 16:36 #4156 by kevinross
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As you have followed Jons recommendation to retard the ignition, the next check i would do is a comparative timing check between the two engines. Ideally you would install a DTI ( dial test indicator) down one of the plug holes and rock the crank to find Top Dead Centre - Failing that you should be able to get a reasonable idea by carefully slipping a piece of dowel down on to the piston. then check the magnet position against the sensor. This check should tell you if its a long way out. To do this accurately, you may need a timing kit such as this.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Sensore-Tim...&hash=item3f3cd6b873
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01 Apr 2015 17:54 #4157 by Phil-C
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Good job we didn't go for petrol trainers. More trouble than they are worth....Discuss.

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01 Apr 2015 19:45 - 01 Apr 2015 19:45 #4158 by DaveBright
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JonTappin wrote: Could it be that your wrist is just too limp :)


Least it's only my wrist. Oh and how is your shoulder? Enjoy starting yours on your own :)
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01 Apr 2015 21:00 - 01 Apr 2015 21:00 #4159 by chris.m
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All well and good checking the timing, but pointless without knowing where the pickup should be in relation to TDC don’t you think?!?!! :dry:
For the record a good starting point for the pickup should be 28degrees before TDC!
I can show you how to work this out Dave it’s pretty simple!! ;)
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01 Apr 2015 21:26 #4160 by FrankRobinson
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Makes good reading this make a piston position indicatore, PPI for short

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01 Apr 2015 21:45 #4161 by Chris73
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Dave just been reading an interesting thread on Flying Giants where a couple of people have had the same problem as you, turns out the timing was set at about 40 degrees before TDC from the factory, all the replies said that this was wrong and as Chris M has said 28 degrees is somewhere close

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