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05 Jun 2021 19:02 #24742 by Simon Osborne
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I’m so looking forward to see the SE5 flying, I can’t tell you how much! More power to your elbow (and your trusty 5/16 ferret) Brian!

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06 Jun 2021 19:48 #24744 by Brian
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With the covering removed, the wing fell neatly into three sections. The previous owner's repair had attempted to do the job with the covering in place, a shame because the epoxy used made it difficult to get the wing back to its original just plain busted state. Once again the thin diamond disc in the Dremel got most of the bits either cleaned up or cut away completely. I plan to reinforce the spars in the wings and centre section by fitting long ply webs between the main spars. The next job will be to remove the sheeting from the centre section to enable access for fitting/gluing the new spar inserts.

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07 Jun 2021 12:57 #24751 by Brian
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The Flair method of joining the wings to the centre section uses thin ply dihedral braces, these are quite short, and although might be adequate for normal day to day flying, they were lacking when it came to taking a serious tumble, as I'm sure the SE5A did just that. I've made up some new spar inserts from 1/4" ply. These will fit between the existing 1/4" square spars. Just in case I've prepared enough to be able to rebuild the upper wing assembly as well.
The SE5A plan shows the root ribs on the wings being set by using an angle template. I measured the angle as 6 degrees, using the angle I made up a packing block to fit under the last rib, rather than rely on the accuracy of the dihedral braces to get both wings to the correct dihedral. Might be a long winded way of going about it, but once the fiddly bits are sorted, it should prove to be a straightforward as well as accurate rebuild. The photos show the spar inserts in various stages, the saw is a "Zona", I've used it for at least twenty years, it enables very accurate cutting with a nice thin kerf that hardly notices when you cut bits apart and glue them back together. This is the way I made the LE and TE spars for a Copland 1937 Wakefield, so the idea isn't mine. Piece of scrap and a couple of clamps make cutting an accurate line easy.

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07 Jun 2021 19:42 #24760 by Brian
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The spar reinforcements were glued up this morning. As they were "drying", "setting", "curing", I attacked the lower centre section. The object was to remove all the previous attempts to repair the damaged wings. Unfortunately large quantities of epoxy had been used. Fortunately I have a way of dealing with it. Softening the epoxy with a heat gun, I managed to get most of it out of the way with the tool that is normally used to "pick out" the balsa after using a hinge slotting tool. Final establishing an area to accept the new spar reinforcements was carried out using a small diamond disc in a Dremel flexible drive and a small X-Acto saw blade. This evening I offered up the spar bits, they slotted into place as though they had been made to do just that. The photo says the rest

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11 Jun 2021 10:41 #24776 by Brian
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Mistakenly, I felt just a bit smug after the two main spar reinforcements were dry fitted. The reinforcement for the rear spar was a bit more complicated as the top of the spar follows the upper contour of the wing rib. I had to reduce the depth of the spar from 3/8" to 5/16" at the rear face. The really fiddly bit was cutting away the ribs between the spars to allow the ply reinforcements to be slid into place. This morning I found that my "inexhaustible supply" of assorted balsa strip did not have a single piece of either 1/4" square or 1/4" X 1/8" hard balsa. I had just one piece of 5/16" square left over from the Hannibal build of years ago. I band sawed it to the size required, and now I wouldn't be surprised if I'll need some of the original section for another project. Slotting the wing rib to take the spars was a little awkward due to the broken spars getting in the way. I used the Dremel flexi extension and a very small burr. Drilling lots of tiny holes enabled the slot to be cut fairly quickly. The right wing was dry fitted to the centre section, the outer rib sits on the packing block. I'll splice in some new balsa in the area of the original break, and that should leave the lower right wing ready to be glued up. The left wing will be a little more complicated as the rear part of the centre section broke away still attached to the wing.

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11 Jun 2021 17:37 #24781 by kevinross
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Hi Brian

Because your model is traditional of the era when we didn't have computer radios the design appears to use a single aileron servo with linkages .It would be a great opportunity to fit individual mini servos to control the ailerons directly

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11 Jun 2021 18:55 #24783 by Brian
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Thanks for the comment Kevin, fortunately the previous owner had fitted a servo for each pair of ailerons. Much better than the old system which had to be built accurately to avoid sloppy movement. Another bonus of having two servos is that they can be set up with adjustable differential movement. Flair had this from a single servo by positioning the operating rod take off points on a servo mounted disc. Cheap and effective if built right.

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12 Jun 2021 10:45 #24786 by 4Pedalsfly
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Many of the R.T.F. Trainer types
are fitted with separate aileron servos but they come fitted with
a "Y" lead.
I've suggested to a number of trainees they delete the "Y" lead
for better control adjustment.
Colin
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12 Jun 2021 20:07 #24787 by Brian
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Thanks Colin, I use "AIL" and "AUX 1" on my Spektrum Rxs for the aileron servos. Makes setting up differential aileron throw a lot easier. Having a "Y" lead is really convenient , especially when you get old and lazy, like me.

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12 Jun 2021 20:25 #24788 by Brian
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Today I spent a short time trying to rescue the SE5As liteply wing tips. One was broken and had a piece missing, the other looked good enough to be used again. It wasn't, it had been broken and re-glued and fell apart when removing it. I used the busted bits as a template, made a sandwich of four pieces of liteply, threw caution to the winds and sawed all four pieces to the wing tip profile. I made the new tips oversize on length to enable them to be fitted to the existing wing structure. As it was designed many years ago, I assumed that the tip structure would be a simple replacement, however, with a tip profile in place, I eyeballed the end view of the wing tip and found that the tip profile has a distinct amount of extra incidence, not helpful in avoiding a stall, especially as there are four of them. A simple mod to the leading edge of the wing and the new tip section is now parallel to the centre line of the wing rib. Photos to follow, forgot to take the camera. Must try harder!

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